Wednesday, August 20, 2008

Yes on Prop 8

Six Consequences If Proposition 8 Fails

1. Children in public schools will be taught that both traditional marriage and same-sex marriage are okay.

The California Education Code already requires that health education classes instruct children about marriage. (§51890)

Therefore, if the definition of marriage is changed, children will be taught that marriage is a relation between any two adults. There will be serious clashes between the secular school system and the right of parents to teach their children their own values and beliefs.

2. Churches will be sued if they refuse to allow same-sex marriage ceremonies in their religious buildings that are open to the public. Ask whether your pastor, priest, minister, bishop, or rabbi is ready to perform such marriages in your chapels and sanctuaries.

3. Religious adoption agencies will be challenged by government agencies to give up their long-held right to place children only in homes with both a mother and a father. Catholic Charities in Boston has already closed its doors because of the legalization of same-sex marriage in Massachusetts.

4. Religions that sponsor private schools and which provide housing for married students will be required to provide housing for same-sex couples, even if it runs counter to church doctrine, or lose tax exemptions and benefits.

5. Ministers who preach against same-sex marriages will be sued for hate speech and could be fined by the government. It has already happened in Canada, one of six countries that have legalized gay marriage.

6. It will cost you money. A change in the definition of marriage will bring a cascade of lawsuits. Even if courts eventually find in favor of a defender of traditional marriage (highly improbable given today’s activist judges), think of the money – your money, your church contributions – that will have to be spent on legal fees.

And think of all the unintended consequences that we cannot even foresee at this time. Where will it end?

It’s your children, your grandchildren, your money, and your liberties.

Lets work together to protect them.

I believe this was written by Elder Larry Lawrence. Please help get the word out. Copy and paste this info and post it on your blog and/or email it to your contacts.


Ben said...

ya i like that idea. im seriously thinking about transfering to byu for business skool - at least undegrad

Tom said...
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Pollock Family said...

Thanks for your input Tom. I deleted this comment, why... 1. Don't know who you are. 2. Don't know who you are. I don't mind if you don't agree or have problems with my personal and religious views, but seriously... I should at least know who you are!

Tom said...

You got my first and last name -- what more do you need?

A little googling will tell you a lot about me.

The Gage Cage said...

Thanks Liz. I got a couple notes on my blog that I have removed too. NOw my comments are set up to be reviewed by me before they are posted on the blog. It is super HYPOCRITICAL of others to try to scream freedom of speech as long as they agree.....but will act hysterically if the other side has a little something to say.

There are so many people that are buying into the LIE that legalizing same-sex marriage will not effect heterosexual marriages and/or sociality.

The TRUTH is Tom, that we aren't against gays...we are FOR protecting our rights as parents and for protecting marriage. We have no desire to waste our time attacking people that don't agree with our beliefs. In fact we believe you have the right to govern yourself but would like to have the same right in our lives as well.

Tom said...

"There are so many people that are buying into the LIE that legalizing same-sex marriage will not effect heterosexual marriages and/or sociality."

And what effects are those, exactly?

"The TRUTH is Tom, that we aren't against gays...we are FOR protecting our rights as parents and for protecting marriage."

What are you protecting it from?

The Gage Cage said...

Read the article.

We will not change each others perspective on things. I don't plan on responding to any more of your comments.

Tom said...

Gage Cage -

"Read the article."

Which article? The original post? I read it and responded to it, pointing out several errors. However, that post was deleted.

"We will not change each others perspective on things."

Not when you close your mind in this way we won't. I'm open to hearing any rational, logical reasons why marriage equality should be denied. But if you don't have any...

"I don't plan on responding to any more of your comments."

You ARE the open-minded one, aren't you?

Anonymous said...

GEEZ- I want to be like TOM and have lots of free time to be regulating what people are posting on their blogs so I can put my two cents in. I'm sure it will change their mind, right??

Anonymous said...

Who said anything about having an open mind? When you have the truth you really don't need to bother listening. By their fruits ye shall know them. Wow someone opposed to your way of thinking buts into a blog you use to talk to your mom, sisters, Benji and "Friends" and feels assaulted. That tells me alot about them. Uninvited yet feels like they can shout you down because they disagree. I have always found the ones who refuse to be silenced to be the most insecure.

Tom said...

"When you have the truth you really don't need to bother listening."

That says it better than I ever could.

"Wow someone opposed to your way of thinking buts into a blog you use to talk to your mom, sisters, Benji and "Friends" and feels assaulted."

Who said I felt assaulted? And if Mrs. Pollock had only been talking to family and friends, I never would have found her. She opined on a political issue, I opined back. She is free to squelch my speech, delete my posts, whatever she wishes. She's free to come and comment on my blog. (Which she has.)

In fact, I think we are both enjoying this conversation -- which, by the way, we are conducting openly, using our real names, not hiding behind a mask of anonymity.


Anyone can make a private blog if they like. This is a public blog. Everyone's invited. Just as they are to mine.

Chino Blanco said...

I'm also a stranger, but I do hope you won't mind my commenting here. You're certainly welcome to learn more about me by clicking on my name.

I understand the importance of strengthening marriage and family (my wife of 12 years and our two kids are #1 in my life).

But Prop 8 is not about my family, or your family, it’s about families that you and I will most likely never meet, like Richard’s:

Just for the record, here in a northern California county, on January 27th, my beloved husband died. We were registered Domestic Partners with the Secretary of State. Had been since 2001. But Domestic Partners really is 2nd class - no it really is no class here.

He died at home so the Deputy Sheriff acted as Coroner. He refused to recognize me as next of kin. He insisted we call a blood relative in New York State to choose a funeral home etc. He wanted to remove all of my beloved’s possesions from our home and ship them back East … including his wedding ring. It was a Sunday night so I could not get the County judge or attorney to set things right (as I did on Monday) I had to lie and weasle to keep our stuff in our home. Because I did not count at all. Our family did not count. We were 2nd class - no class. Because we were not married.

Don’t tell me that Domestic Partnership is just as good as marriage. And don’t tell me that I was not married in my heart AND in my church to my husband. The Court just recognized what is a fact … he and I were married … and it is a civil right.

You have no idea how much it hurt … still hurts … that in 2008, in California, my family was ignored when I needed it to be recognized the most.

This is a political issue, not a moral one. Religious freedom is very well-protected in our country and nothing about Prop 8 either enhances or threatens that freedom.

Richard pays taxes just like you and me, but couldn’t get a marriage license. As a matter of fairness and equality before the law, that kind of discrimination is just plain unAmerican.

It saddens me that so many in the church leadership are leading the members to believe that Prop 8 is about defending straight rights and straight marriages. Frankly speaking, nothing could be further from the truth.

The Gage Cage said...

I was mistaken about the author of the article. It was written by Gary Lawrence. I called Elder and Sis. Lawrence this morning. they didn't write the article but completely agree with it's content.

Karrie said...

Wow Miss Lizzie- you've had your hands full in the comment section, haven't you? All I know is this: nothing. Actually, I generally hate people altogether because I'm either too religious in my beliefs, or not "Christian" enough, and no matter what I say, I'm never right. And I've been told I'll burn in hell either way, so I am going to DO what I can, and then maybe after I die, I'll find out that I'm right. And if I'm not, and the people who told me I will burn are right (NOT!!!) then at least maybe I'll be tan. Right? I know I'm being a little silly right now, but people can be silly too. Rock on.

Chino Blanco said...

Just a heads up: Mike Huckabee recently gave an interview in which he holds Mitt Romney responsible for implementing gay marriage in Massachusetts.


Welcome to the coalition.

I wish that more rank and file members of the LDS (Mormon) church would realize: the anti-gay coalition they've joined in California is one that includes folks who - given the chance - would vote their church out of existence.

Folks like Mike Huckabee and his Evangelical buddies.

Chino Blanco said...

It's disappointing to learn of fellow Americans who would stoop to peddling lies to support their position. Google "Six Consequences if Proposition 8 Fails" ... these are six totally false talking points that the "Yes on 8" campaign is trying to use to fire up their target voters. Anyone who bothers to study the issue will quickly learn that these six "consequences" are total fabrications and sad examples of ugly fearmongering from the "Yes on 8" campaign. Shame.