tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31276905.post9091373079273019046..comments2023-10-29T05:39:18.867-07:00Comments on Pollock Palooza: Yes on Prop 8Pollock Paloozahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02059169893658223518noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31276905.post-38463231793535851522008-08-29T05:24:00.000-07:002008-08-29T05:24:00.000-07:00It's disappointing to learn of fellow Americans wh...It's disappointing to learn of fellow Americans who would stoop to peddling lies to support their position. Google "Six Consequences if Proposition 8 Fails" ... these are six totally false talking points that the "Yes on 8" campaign is trying to use to fire up their target voters. Anyone who bothers to study the issue will quickly learn that these six "consequences" are total fabrications and sad examples of ugly fearmongering from the "Yes on 8" campaign. Shame.Chino Blancohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17089075247725625711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31276905.post-46918200571796493612008-08-22T14:56:00.000-07:002008-08-22T14:56:00.000-07:00Wow Miss Lizzie- you've had your hands full in the...Wow Miss Lizzie- you've had your hands full in the comment section, haven't you? All I know is this: nothing. Actually, I generally hate people altogether because I'm either too religious in my beliefs, or not "Christian" enough, and no matter what I say, I'm never right. And I've been told I'll burn in hell either way, so I am going to DO what I can, and then maybe after I die, I'll find out that I'm right. And if I'm not, and the people who told me I will burn are right (NOT!!!) then at least maybe I'll be tan. Right? I know I'm being a little silly right now, but people can be silly too. Rock on.Karriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03526971975333127343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31276905.post-28787148439422164232008-08-22T11:03:00.000-07:002008-08-22T11:03:00.000-07:00I was mistaken about the author of the article. It...I was mistaken about the author of the article. It was written by Gary Lawrence. I called Elder and Sis. Lawrence this morning. they didn't write the article but completely agree with it's content.The Gage Cagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08021454907212242197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31276905.post-76592072318376963232008-08-22T10:40:00.000-07:002008-08-22T10:40:00.000-07:00I'm also a stranger, but I do hope you won't mind ...I'm also a stranger, but I do hope you won't mind my commenting here. You're certainly welcome to learn more about me by clicking on my name.<BR/><BR/>I understand the importance of strengthening marriage and family (my wife of 12 years and our two kids are #1 in my life).<BR/><BR/>But Prop 8 is not about my family, or your family, it’s about families that you and I will most likely never meet, like Richard’s:<BR/><BR/><I>Just for the record, here in a northern California county, on January 27th, my beloved husband died. We were registered Domestic Partners with the Secretary of State. Had been since 2001. But Domestic Partners really is 2nd class - no it really is no class here.<BR/><BR/>He died at home so the Deputy Sheriff acted as Coroner. He refused to recognize me as next of kin. He insisted we call a blood relative in New York State to choose a funeral home etc. He wanted to remove all of my beloved’s possesions from our home and ship them back East … including his wedding ring. It was a Sunday night so I could not get the County judge or attorney to set things right (as I did on Monday) I had to lie and weasle to keep our stuff in our home. Because I did not count at all. Our family did not count. We were 2nd class - no class. Because we were not married.<BR/><BR/>Don’t tell me that Domestic Partnership is just as good as marriage. And don’t tell me that I was not married in my heart AND in my church to my husband. The Court just recognized what is a fact … he and I were married … and it is a civil right.<BR/><BR/>You have no idea how much it hurt … still hurts … that in 2008, in California, my family was ignored when I needed it to be recognized the most.</I><BR/><BR/>This is a political issue, not a moral one. Religious freedom is very well-protected in our country and nothing about Prop 8 either enhances or threatens that freedom.<BR/><BR/>Richard pays taxes just like you and me, but couldn’t get a marriage license. As a matter of fairness and equality before the law, that kind of discrimination is just plain unAmerican.<BR/><BR/>It saddens me that so many in the church leadership are leading the members to believe that Prop 8 is about defending straight rights and straight marriages. Frankly speaking, nothing could be further from the truth.Chino Blancohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17089075247725625711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31276905.post-46248811113230402122008-08-21T17:17:00.000-07:002008-08-21T17:17:00.000-07:00"When you have the truth you really don't need to ..."When you have the truth you really don't need to bother listening."<BR/><BR/>That says it better than I ever could.<BR/><BR/>"Wow someone opposed to your way of thinking buts into a blog you use to talk to your mom, sisters, Benji and "Friends" and feels assaulted."<BR/><BR/>Who said I felt assaulted? And if Mrs. Pollock had only been talking to family and friends, I never would have found her. She opined on a political issue, I opined back. She is free to squelch my speech, delete my posts, whatever she wishes. She's free to come and comment on my blog. (Which she has.)<BR/><BR/>In fact, I think we are both enjoying this conversation -- which, by the way, we are conducting openly, using our real names, not hiding behind a mask of anonymity.<BR/><BR/>"Uninvited" <BR/><BR/>Anyone can make a private blog if they like. This is a public blog. Everyone's invited. Just as they are to mine.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03139711818373541945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31276905.post-42411119557397182372008-08-21T16:56:00.000-07:002008-08-21T16:56:00.000-07:00Who said anything about having an open mind? When ...Who said anything about having an open mind? When you have the truth you really don't need to bother listening. By their fruits ye shall know them. Wow someone opposed to your way of thinking buts into a blog you use to talk to your mom, sisters, Benji and "Friends" and feels assaulted. That tells me alot about them. Uninvited yet feels like they can shout you down because they disagree. I have always found the ones who refuse to be silenced to be the most insecure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31276905.post-14313781291888148912008-08-21T16:36:00.000-07:002008-08-21T16:36:00.000-07:00GEEZ- I want to be like TOM and have lots of free ...GEEZ- I want to be like TOM and have lots of free time to be regulating what people are posting on their blogs so I can put my two cents in. I'm sure it will change their mind, right??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31276905.post-30884353197424760352008-08-21T14:54:00.000-07:002008-08-21T14:54:00.000-07:00Gage Cage - "Read the article."Which article? The...Gage Cage - <BR/><BR/>"Read the article."<BR/><BR/>Which article? The original post? I read it and responded to it, pointing out several errors. However, that post was deleted.<BR/><BR/>"We will not change each others perspective on things."<BR/><BR/>Not when you close your mind in this way we won't. I'm open to hearing any rational, logical reasons why marriage equality should be denied. But if you don't have any...<BR/><BR/>"I don't plan on responding to any more of your comments."<BR/><BR/>You ARE the open-minded one, aren't you?Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03139711818373541945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31276905.post-6220348936628503622008-08-21T14:43:00.000-07:002008-08-21T14:43:00.000-07:00Read the article.We will not change each others pe...Read the article.<BR/><BR/>We will not change each others perspective on things. I don't plan on responding to any more of your comments.The Gage Cagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08021454907212242197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31276905.post-3515756702804400112008-08-21T14:01:00.000-07:002008-08-21T14:01:00.000-07:00"There are so many people that are buying into the..."There are so many people that are buying into the LIE that legalizing same-sex marriage will not effect heterosexual marriages and/or sociality."<BR/><BR/>And what effects are those, exactly?<BR/><BR/>"The TRUTH is Tom, that we aren't against gays...we are FOR protecting our rights as parents and for protecting marriage."<BR/><BR/>What are you protecting it from?Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03139711818373541945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31276905.post-26199298232610636352008-08-21T11:40:00.000-07:002008-08-21T11:40:00.000-07:00Thanks Liz. I got a couple notes on my blog that ...Thanks Liz. I got a couple notes on my blog that I have removed too. NOw my comments are set up to be reviewed by me before they are posted on the blog. It is super HYPOCRITICAL of others to try to scream freedom of speech as long as they agree.....but will act hysterically if the other side has a little something to say. <BR/><BR/>There are so many people that are buying into the LIE that legalizing same-sex marriage will not effect heterosexual marriages and/or sociality. <BR/><BR/>The TRUTH is Tom, that we aren't against gays...we are FOR protecting our rights as parents and for protecting marriage. We have no desire to waste our time attacking people that don't agree with our beliefs. In fact we believe you have the right to govern yourself but would like to have the same right in our lives as well.The Gage Cagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08021454907212242197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31276905.post-33972685041207833972008-08-21T10:31:00.000-07:002008-08-21T10:31:00.000-07:00You got my first and last name -- what more do you...You got my first and last name -- what more do you need?<BR/><BR/>A little googling will tell you a lot about me.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03139711818373541945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31276905.post-52238261034166463322008-08-21T10:26:00.000-07:002008-08-21T10:26:00.000-07:00Thanks for your input Tom. I deleted this comment...Thanks for your input Tom. I deleted this comment, why... 1. Don't know who you are. 2. Don't know who you are. I don't mind if you don't agree or have problems with my personal and religious views, but seriously... I should at least know who you are!Pollock Paloozahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02059169893658223518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31276905.post-23259878998558769362008-08-20T21:25:00.000-07:002008-08-20T21:25:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03139711818373541945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31276905.post-91290844709014334182008-08-20T21:00:00.000-07:002008-08-20T21:00:00.000-07:00ya i like that idea. im seriously thinking about t...ya i like that idea. im seriously thinking about transfering to byu for business skool - at least undegradBenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451717696793960069noreply@blogger.com